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topic id 25265: Pricing
topic id 24883: The purpose of promotion and set your budget in advance
topic id 22503: Leads
topic id 26197: Paying twice for the same lead
topic id 22064: Questionable leads
topic id 14288: Declined "Leads" charged
topic id 19454: Marketing Executive From Thumbtack Chooses Promoted Lead, Then Radio Silence
topic id 18206: New Model?
topic id 100: Is quick reply worthy of charge?
Moderator Kameron
Moderator

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

@HandyBam I'm sorry to hear that lead didn't get back to you. One big thing to remember is that how quickly pros reply will have a direct impact on customer responsiveness. When compared to responding after 2 hours or more, if a pro responds in one hour they are 20% more likely to hear back from the customer, and 50% more likely when within 5 minutes. Right now I see that your average response time is just over 20 hours, so working to cut that down should be a big help.

Also, note that there’s no extra charge for following up with customers as much as you need, so you can reach out again and let the customer know you’re still interested in their project.

As for the statement that Thumbtack creates leads. I can assure you with the utmost certainty that this is not something we do at Thumbtack.

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HandyBam
Level 5

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

Thanks for that, Kameron. However, you failed to address my point of; why TT feels it's fair to retain my fee, when there's no response from said lead?
Since you brought it up, I'll also ask; Is my average response time a factor in determining if I'm eligible for a refund?
If a job is sitting there, unanswered by any pro, for hours or even days, I guess it's a Bear Trap, if I later determine I could then do that job (a match) and respond to the request.
By the way & w/ averages aside... my response times to the leads in question were less than 25 minutes. One, was as little as 14 minutes.

Thanks & I'll await another attempt to answer my question.
Moderator Meckell
Moderator

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

@HandyBam response time is not a factor in determining if a lead is refundable. Be sure to check out our refund policy to see what does and doesn't qualify for a refund. At Thumbtack, you pay for that introduction. We introduce you to the customer and it's up to you to seal the deal. However, we understand that it is frustrating when a customer reaches out showing interest and then you don't hear back. We appreciate you voicing your concerns and we'll be sure to pass them along. 

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HandyBam
Level 5

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

Thank you Meckell. I have read the refund policy, at nauseum. When I dispute the charge, why is there a button for "customer stopped responding"?
So, how am I to "seal the deal" with ZERO communication from this so-called "customer" that TT has "introduced" me to OR in my examples, the customer only chose me?
If TT happily takes my money, they should qualify the leads they send to me!😠

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

So normally I respond within 10 mins...but if I later go back through the jobs and say bid on one from yesterday. Maybe because I see that no pros have contacted the customer or whatever reason. That would lower my avg. response time by figuring in the 24 hours later I responded into my act response time..then that being said would change the algorithm you use to send me leads less favorably for me, correct? How does this algorithm work?
Thanks, Scotr
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glaczy1
Level 6

Re: No Refunds for No Response leads? WT..!?

This is ans has been the question regarding a policy that requires trust but offers no verication. This is a unsustanible policy for many  and is leading to Pros seeking to find work elsewhere. There has long been, an rightfully so, a question about what constitutes a legitimate lead that a Pro would be willing to pay for. This "ghost" lead is a total deal breaker, because as I see it, not to many people will fork over good money for bad leads, or in this case no lead. You can't charge someone for no actual contact with a real person and exspect to build a long term business this way. As it stands now we have a huge number of people who get the referral, so your competiton in huge, and prices for those leads have way increased in recent times, and that's if they even respond back to you.

So...in summing up! We, meaning as large pool of competion, get a lead and respond anyway. We've paid what is now an unresonable amount for this lead, and keep in mind most of us consider contact with a person as he only definition of an actual lead. So as in this example no one gets back to you in any way,shape or form and you're charged for that and told by TT that you're paying for the "lead" regardless of weather you've had an contact with a real human being or not.

We're forced to trust TT that there was an actual person there. The problem with that is that only Thumbtack benefits from such a seemingly unfair policy and that Pros juist have to trust TT about that. I think I can speak for ALL pros when I say that the answer to this problem, certainly from the many Pros who have voiced complaints about the policy, is that only actual human response qualifies as a lead. If they choose to respond to one or more Pros, only a verified contact with email address, phone number, and an exchange of information can constitute a billable lead. Trust but verify!!

I think that's a great place to start from before Thumbtack finds itself with an ever changing group of Pros who will eventually figure out that this policy doesn't pay for them. I'm sure that will still make you money for TT for a time but by then have become toxic with a reputation to match. Let's fix this before that happens! For Thumbtack to survive the people who generate your revenues must thrive as well. Thanks!

littleladykk
Level 4

Re: Requesting refunds

Tina I am in the exact same boat! I’ve been trying to get refunded for people reaching out to me then ghosting...how does it make sense that we are the ones who pay for that?? If someone reaches out and then they don’t reply why are we getting punished!?

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Hankster
Level 10

Re: Requesting refunds

Here's my suggestion & one that on different threads in these forums has been suggested multiple times by me & other service pros:

The service pro should have the right of first refusal & be able to decline any request & not be automatically charged. I don't care if the date on my calendar is open, meets my preferences, travel area, etc.  The way the TT disputed charge system works I would never get a refund again because of the fact the date on my calendar was open, lead met my preferences, etc. There’s no human factor allowed by TT. Mistakes are not allowed! This capitalistic approach that you folks at TT have is wrong on many levels. It’s almost like I’m being told that TT is ALWAYS right & me the service pro who, by the way, is also a TT customer is always WRONG. If I purchased an item at a big box store, on line retailer, etc. & decided that the product I purchased didn’t meet my needs do you think they would tell me “Sorry sir we can’t refund your money because our refund policy states that when you purchased that item it met your needs at the time of purchase & you walked out of the store with that item or accepted our delivery of that item. We are not able to offer you a refund”. Of course not. They would gladly refund my money. That’s what is wrong with the Promote product. There's no room for error. But if I pause Promote, I’m screwed because I won’t get any leads. Why can't TT  make this a win win for all involved? The Jobs tab (if you can call it that) is an absolute joke. I haven’t had a lead respond to me via the Jobs tab in almost 5 months now.

 

jcp
Level 9

Re: Requesting refunds

@Hankster - you mentioned me in a response the other day and I was notified but went to read it and it denied me access. I read your comments here about the refunds having no human factor and no room error. I can not believe that this is acceptable and I went another month at a great loss for leads that just ask if I am available then never hear back. I am officially staying off the site until major changes. I’ve even had customer service tell me it’s probably best for me to “take a break” considering my reported numbers the last two months. You May have read in July I profited $85 and Thumbtack profit was $300 from me. The worst margin ever. 18 leads and 2 bookings. I do not recommend Thumbtack to anyone anymore. Not for pros and not for customers. I’ve been in business 20 years - I can kick myself for continuing a services that clearly is not set up for us to succeed or willingness to work with us as business partners. It’s beyond me why I have would have to pay just for someone to ask my availability when I am being promoted to them because my calendar says I AM AVAILABLE. It’s Thumbtacks responsibility to let the customer know that since that is the preference we PAY for when being promoted. Along with many other customer questions that are already provided before they reach out. So tell us TT - what is the point of Promote then? What am I paying for by being on promote? I thought the point was about filtering to get the right pro to the right person? Don’t let “are you available “ be a response click at all! Remove it. How about one response click that says “wants to hire you”. That should be the only click button option. Boy - I’d love to have another one on one conversation with Marco.
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Hankster
Level 10

Re: Requesting refunds

@jcp the reason you received that was because @Meckell deleted my post & sent me a private message for violating the Community Guidelines because I wasn't being constructive which I begged to differ with her. Please don't send me the Community Guidelines link again @Meckell I am more than aware of them. It wasn't a very lengthy response to what you posted@jcp In any event if you wish to reach out to me send me a private message. Have a good day!

Hankster 8/10/19

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