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Thumbtack Numbers Policy: Give Us Back Real Phone Numbers

BattleBorn26
BattleBorn26 Posts: 2
edited June 4 in Community News

To the Thumbtack Product Team and Corporate decision-makers, Let’s stop pretending this proxy number system is an "upgrade" or a "feature." It is completely backwards, and it is actively crippling your core demographic, the service professionals who literally pay your corporate salaries. We are tired of the boilerplate corporate responses in the forums telling us that you are "submitting our feedback to the team."

The feedback is already crystal clear, unanimous, and completely aligned: This system is fundamentally broken and it needs to be rolled back immediately. The Reality on the Ground

  • Zero Trust, Zero Conversion: When we call or text a paid lead through your proxy system, it shows up as a random, spammy-looking number on the customer's phone. They ignore us because they think it's a robocall.
  • Paying for Ghost Leads: You charge us massive, inflated lead fees upfront, but then strip away our basic ability to form a direct human connection and close the deal.
  • The Refund Trap: You tell us we can get an automatic refund if a customer ghosts everyone for 72 hours, but if we drop our actual business line in the chat to rescue the communication, your AI text-scanners flag it and strip our refund eligibility anyway. You have turned lead management into an intentional cat-and-mouse game.

The Challenge to Corporate

Your staff keeps repeating the corporate script that this change was implemented to "help pros communicate." If that is an actual fact, publish the internal articles, case studies, and hard data proving it. 

Show us the statistics that prove customer response rates went up after you masked their numbers. Because right now, every actual contractor on the ground is experiencing the exact opposite: tanking response rates, wasted marketing spend, and dead-end leads. We don't want any more support tickets opened, and we don't want any more passive-aggressive feedback logging.

We want a direct answer from leadership and an explicit action plan outlining when direct numbers will be restored. Treat us like the paying business partners we are, not an open wallet to be corporate-tested on.


@DustiO

Comments

  • DustiO
    DustiO Administrator, Moderator Posts: 2,598 admin

    Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective. I can tell this has been a frustrating experience, and I appreciate you being direct about your concerns.

    I also want to address one point specifically: when Thumbtack employees say we're sharing feedback with the team, that isn't a scripted response or a way to dismiss concerns. Feedback like yours is shared directly and quickly with the teams responsible for these experiences, and the points you've raised here are exactly the kind of detailed feedback that helps inform product discussions.

    I also think it's important to note that the teams building these experiences have been working closely with pros throughout the process. Pro feedback has been an important part of how these products have been developed and evaluated, and conversations like this continue to be an important input as the feature evolves.

    What I can share is that the decision to introduce Thumbtack Numbers was informed by data and feedback from both customers and pros. We've seen improvements in customer responsiveness, which is one of the reasons the feature has continued to be invested in. I've also personally spoken with pros who have had positive experiences with Thumbtack Numbers and are excited about the opportunities they create.

    At the same time, that doesn't invalidate the experience you're describing. Your perspective is important, and understanding where the experience isn't working as intended is exactly why feedback like this is valuable.

    If you have specific examples, metrics, or customer interactions that illustrate the challenges you're seeing, I'd genuinely love to see them. Feel free to send me a DM. Detailed examples are often much more actionable than general sentiment, and I will make sure they get in front of the right people.

    What I can commit to is ensuring your concerns are understood and represented accurately. The message I'm hearing is that you believe the current experience is making it more difficult to connect with customers and successfully convert leads into jobs, and that you'd like greater transparency around the reasoning and outcomes behind these changes.

    I'll also see if there's anything additional I can share here. We're planning to host an AMA with a Product Manager in a few weeks, after Thumbtack Numbers has launched everywhere and pros have had more time to use the feature. My hope is that it will be an opportunity to answer questions, discuss feedback, and provide additional context. In the meantime, please continue sharing your thoughts here or with Support.

    I understand that you may be looking for more concrete answers than I can provide today. However, I do want to assure you that this feedback is being read, discussed, and shared with the people who are directly responsible for these decisions.

    Thank you again for taking the time to write this out and explain your experience in detail.

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  • DreamClean
    DreamClean PPC Member Posts: 6
    edited June 11

    First post after years as a Pro. This was poorly conceived. Well said, @BattleBorn26

    To the Admin/Moderator, you have "personally spoken with pros who have had positive experiences with Thumbtack Numbers and are excited about the opportunities they create"? Care to elaborate on what opportunities for Pros (other than refunds)? I am genuinely shocked that any Pro using Thumbtack would support this concept. I'll take the >30% refund rate for nonresponses, but Thumbtack didn't have to obscure customer data from Pros to do that.

    I wish you all had reached out to more Pros first. You do not have the maket dominance of Amazon (which obscures customer data from retailers that sell on their Marketplace). But it seems that is Thumbtack's aspiration.

    I'm not comfortable routing all messages for the life of the customer relationship through Thumbtack. They already flow through Jobber and Twilio, and now Thumbtack's proxy number and forwarded to the customer? As a result, we'll play by your rules for the refund period. I expect this is going to cost Thumbtack as you can no longer automatically deny refunds for the high percentage of non-responsive "leads".

    Then we'll explain to new customers that Thumbtack obscures their number from us so they can track and monitor our communication, and we'll ask for their number so we can text them directly. Thumbtack won't gain any long-term data or stickiness, at least from us. But you've started conversations between Pros and their customers about how Thumbtack is just another evil tech company.

    Not to mention technical issues. Lag times. Customers saving numbers in contacts. 10DLC registration/compliance. CRM integration. It was a problem that you don't collect/share the property address so we can quickly refine a quote and check availability. Now we have to ask for the address and phone number.

    Or maybe Thumbtack intends to become the end-to-end FSM/CRM platform. That will be difficult, but makes sense from a long-term strategy perspective.

    In the meantime, we'll continue shifting our customer acquisition spend to other platforms.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    100% why I came here I’ve been with them 6 years I’ve signed up for it’s of new. Programs . Had the front desk option paying them $1000 a month to answer messages. Then they went to auto book. I canceled they realized it didn’t work and got rid of it so I came back to try.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    their policy says we pay for leads because it’s a contact for life . But they use a phone number we only get through their app. Then if they choose another option all the contact info disappears . I would love to go back to what it used to be and paying them good money and building clients.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    can’t imagine how a customer fells getting 3 or 4 automated text from the same 800 number.

  • ArvinC
    ArvinC Administrator, Moderator Posts: 256 admin

    @Noah_Holt , Thanks for taking the time to share this. I can understand why this change feels frustrating, especially after being on Thumbtack for so many years and experiencing several different programs along the way.

    I did want to clarify one point about Thumbtack Numbers. The phone numbers don't expire, so you can continue communicating with your customers over time. If it makes sense for your business and your customer, you're also welcome to exchange your personal contact information directly.

    The only thing to be aware of is that refund reviews are based on the communication that took place through the Thumbtack Number, so keeping the conversation there can be helpful during that period.

    I also wanted to mention that calls placed through Thumbtack Numbers come from a local area code rather than an 800 number. For text messages, customers can also see which business is reaching out, so your messages remain identifiable rather than appearing as generic texts.

    I know that doesn't change how you're feeling about the overall experience, and I appreciate you explaining where you think it's creating friction. Feedback like yours helps the team better understand what's working and what still needs improvement, and I'll make sure your perspective is shared.

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  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    @ArvinC like others said this is something that other companies have attempted to do and it did not work out for them just like many of the other programs you guys launched that did not work . And again you’re missing the point I know that you’re saying that technically the numbers don’t expire but when you were creating within your that is not 100% transparent, I would like to have the customer‘s actual phone number since charging us for them. . Also, it’s interesting that you say the customers are told who is contacting them because almost every customer the first thing they ask is what company we are with.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    read your own policy . The numbers only work with a number verified by thumbtack. So if I stop working with thumbtack those numbers won’t

  • ArvinC
    ArvinC Administrator, Moderator Posts: 256 admin

    @Noah_Holt Thanks for pointing that out , Noah. You're correct that Thumbtack Numbers are tied to a phone number that's verified with an active Thumbtack account. If you stop using Thumbtack, those proxy numbers would no longer be available.

    You're also welcome to exchange your personal contact information directly with a customer whenever it makes sense for your business. Many pros choose to do that as they build an ongoing relationship.

    One thing to keep in mind is that if conversations move off the Thumbtack Number, Thumbtack may not be able to review or verify those interactions if they're needed for support or lead-related reviews. Keeping communication through the Thumbtack Number can be helpful in those situations because it gives our team visibility into the conversation if assistance is needed.

    I also hear the broader point you're making. It sounds like your concern isn't just about the proxy number itself, but about wanting direct access to your customer's contact information from the beginning, especially since you're investing in acquiring that lead. I appreciate you continuing to share your perspective, and I'll make sure that feedback is passed along to the team.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    it’s just all of your post here other Internet forums I’ve not seen one business that likes the way things have been changed yet. You continue to think that benefits us. .
    I can tell you with certainty this is something you are to reverse its going to happen eventually, so the sooner the better. You’re selling leads and everyone understands it but the way it is being done now you’re basically selling us a subscription. . I haven’t seen one business agree with it and why would anyone? Having proper contact information for customers is extremely valuable so now you have created a separate point of contact.

  • Jonathan_Stickland
    Jonathan_Stickland New member, PPC Member Posts: 28

    Mark me in the apparently small camp of folks who don't think it matters much and wants to find ways to fine tune a new system.

    We exchange numbers with our customers on the first call, so it's only a "problem" once for us.

    I think this system is fixable, and frankly I hope it leads to more changes that help my business. For one, I wish they would start listening to my conversations, if they do, they will realize quickly what is important information we have to request over and over. Secondly, they will undoubtedly notice my companies superior customer service skills, and over time, I hope they take that into account in some way that they can show the customer when they are choosing/determining our ranking. Three, for those of us with multiple people touching our Thumbtack account, I am hoping they make the call recording available. That way if a customer interaction is handed off between my employees, they can listen to the call and better serve/know what is going on.

    Some quick thoughts:
    -Take out the stupid unneeded opt out option on our texts, legal is playing it safe, and doesn't have to on this, they chose to contact us. Sounds to bot/AI ish right now.
    -Allow us to quickly access all phone conversation recordings via Thumbtack platform
    -Integrate/plug into current CRM's / 3rd party call recording many of us already use
    -Change the name as it appears on the incoming call from us to the customer to reflect our company name from registered phone number, not Thumbtack
    -After a job is scheduled/job done reveal customer phone number automatically for our records
    -Allow more details from the AI generated note taker, and make this part better (sometimes its wrong)

    THUMBTACK: Not everyone is a good customer of YOURS. They aren't always right! Please listen to those of us who want/need a better system. Some of us are maxed out on what we will pay for leads, and have an unlimited budget set already. What we need is more you to make more profit, and generate more leads for us. Including going into more rural areas. Happy to expand more into this if anyone cares.

    BUSINESS OWNERS: Stop blaming everyone else. Enjoy challenges, love it when it's hard. I plan on getting ahead of almost all of you because I will find a way, and do things you can't/won't do.

    Love for all~

  • Electric77
    Electric77 New member Posts: 2
    edited August 14

    I’m going to strongly disagree with the direction Thumbtack is taking here, and I think there are several issues being mixed together that deserve direct answers.

    First, I keep seeing the statement that Thumbtack Numbers was developed with input and feedback from pros. I would genuinely like to know what that means.

    How many pros were consulted? What trades did they represent? How long had they been using Thumbtack? Were they actually asked whether they wanted their customers’ direct contact information replaced with a proxy number, their communications routed through Thumbtack, and calls potentially recorded or transcribed?

    Because as a contractor actually using and paying for this service, I have a very difficult time believing that established professionals overwhelmingly asked for more barriers between themselves and prospective customers.

    The entire purpose of a lead service is to connect a prospective customer with a professional. I pay Thumbtack for that connection.

    Instead, over time, I feel like we are receiving less information, less direct access and less control over a lead that we paid for, while lead costs have increased.

    That equation does not make sense.

    If Thumbtack is going to provide less information and a more restricted connection to the customer, then the lead should cost less, not more.

    There is also a serious transparency problem with lead pricing itself. I can receive seemingly similar opportunities with dramatically different lead costs, and as a business owner I have very little ability to determine why one lead costs substantially more than another. If there is a formula determining the value of these leads, professionals paying for them deserve meaningful transparency into what determines that price.

    The newer direct-lead pricing and budget structure raises another concern.

    When presented with certain leads, I can effectively be shown two different ways of paying for the opportunity: one price if I maintain my existing budget, and a lower lead price if I agree to add the lead cost and increase my budget.

    I would like Thumbtack to explain the economic rationale for this.

    The prospective customer has not changed. The project has not changed. The geographic location has not changed. The value of that individual opportunity to my company has not suddenly changed.

    What changed is my willingness to commit additional money to Thumbtack.

    If agreeing to increase my advertising budget makes the exact same lead less expensive, then what exactly is determining the stated value of that lead?

    That deserves considerably more transparency.

    The refund structure creates another problem.

    My understanding of the current system is that eligibility for certain lead protections or refunds depends upon conducting the customer interaction through Thumbtack Numbers and following Thumbtack’s prescribed communication process. If I instead provide my established business number and communicate with the prospective customer directly, I can lose those protections.

    That effectively creates a financial incentive for professionals to route their business communications through Thumbtack.

    If that is not an accurate description of the policy, I would welcome a clear explanation from Thumbtack.

    But if it is accurate, then professionals are being placed in a position where maintaining control over their own customer communications can come at the cost of losing refund protection on a lead they already paid Thumbtack to receive.

    I fundamentally disagree with that arrangement.

    There is also the issue of what a “refund” actually means. When a lead is determined to qualify for reimbursement, the money is generally returned as Thumbtack credit rather than returned to the original payment method.

    That matters.

    Thumbtack can withdraw actual dollars from my account to purchase a lead. If that lead is subsequently determined not to meet the conditions for which I should have been charged, I believe there is a legitimate question as to why the remedy must remain locked inside the Thumbtack ecosystem rather than being returned in the same form in which it was collected.

    Then there is the privacy issue.

    I conduct proprietary business conversations with my customers. Pricing, estimating, troubleshooting, technical discussions, scheduling and how I operate my company are part of my business. I am not comfortable with a third party unnecessarily inserting itself into those conversations, recording, transcribing or analyzing them simply because it supplied the initial lead.

    The privacy explanation also doesn’t make much practical sense to me in home services. The customer contacting me is potentially about to give me their home address and invite me into their house to perform work. At some point we have to exchange actual information and establish a normal business relationship.

    Adding another telephone number between us doesn’t eliminate that reality. It adds another step.

    And I have personally noticed a substantial slowdown.

    July was roughly half of my normal business activity, possibly less, and Thumbtack became so quiet that I actually contacted support and asked whether something had happened to my account or whether I had somehow been blocked.

    I used to hear Thumbtack notifications regularly. Now there can be extended periods of almost complete silence.

    That may or may not be entirely attributable to Thumbtack Numbers, and I am not claiming causation without the data. But when multiple established pros are reporting reduced contact and conversion while these changes are being implemented, that deserves serious investigation rather than reassurance that the feature is producing positive results somewhere else.

    I also noticed something important in Thumbtack’s response here: the stated improvement is in “customer responsiveness.”

    That is not necessarily the metric that determines whether this is successful for the professionals paying for the leads.

    A customer responding to a message is not a completed job.

    What matters to my business is conversion into legitimate, paying work.

    Has Thumbtack measured pro conversion rates before and after implementing Thumbtack Numbers? If so, I would like to see those numbers.

    There is another side of this that I don’t think gets nearly enough attention: customer qualification.

    Professionals are being charged real money for these opportunities, yet customers can submit extremely vague requests with almost no useful information.

    A photograph and “I need work done” is not a qualified lead.

    If Thumbtack is going to charge professionals $20, $30, $50, $100 or more for an introduction, there should be some minimum requirement for the prospective customer to describe the project, answer relevant qualifying questions and demonstrate an actual intent to hire.

    Window shopping should not be sold to contractors as a premium lead.

    And these issues become more significant when considered together.

    We have increasingly variable lead pricing.

    We have incentives tied to increasing advertising budgets.

    We have less direct customer information.

    We have proxy telephone numbers.

    We have communications that can be recorded or analyzed.

    We have refund eligibility connected to using Thumbtack’s communication system.

    We have refunds that remain inside the platform as credits.

    And we still have inadequately qualified customers capable of generating charges to multiple professionals.

    At some point, professionals have every right to ask whether the platform is still primarily facilitating introductions or increasingly attempting to control the entire relationship after selling the introduction.

    I understand that Thumbtack owns the platform and has every right to develop its product. But the professionals are not simply users of a free service. We are the paying customers. Changes that materially affect what we receive for our money deserve transparency and meaningful input from the people financing the platform.

    So I would like some concrete answers rather than another assurance that feedback is being passed along:

    How were the pros who supported Thumbtack Numbers selected?

    How many established, paying professionals were consulted?

    What measurable improvement has Thumbtack seen in actual pro conversion rates, not simply customer response rates?

    Have conversion rates been compared before and after implementation?

    Why have lead prices increased while the information and direct access provided to the professional have decreased?

    Why can the same opportunity effectively cost less when a professional agrees to increase their budget?

    What specifically determines the price of an individual lead?

    Why should refund eligibility depend upon surrendering direct control of customer communications?

    Why are approved refunds retained as platform credit rather than returned in the form originally paid?

    And what is Thumbtack doing to require customers to properly qualify a project before multiple professionals are charged for it?

    I’ve been doing this long enough to know when additional friction has been inserted into a business process. I don’t need Thumbtack to manage my customer relationship after I’ve paid Thumbtack to introduce us.

    I need a lead service.

    Connect us, provide the information necessary to evaluate the opportunity, charge a fair and transparent price for that introduction, and then allow two adults to conduct business.

    All of that said, you never know who you might be talking to. Being a disabled vet that has 5+ seizures daily, there are some people that struggle more others. with all of the questions and concerns I’ve mentioned and then being able to leave the doorstep effectively to go do the , then now having to wrestle a giant corporation to just do what they’re supposed to do.

  • Electric77
    Electric77 New member Posts: 2

    @Jonathan_Stickland Jonathan, I think the “stop blaming everyone else” and “I’ll get ahead of almost all of you” comments miss what many contractors here are actually saying.

    Running a business absolutely requires adapting to challenges. I’ve been doing that for decades. But there is a difference between adapting to competition and having a vendor that we pay materially change the product and business relationship after we’ve built our workflow around it.

    If Thumbtack reduces the information provided with a lead, inserts itself into communications through proxy numbers and call recording, adds additional steps between the professional and customer, ties aspects of its refund policy to using those systems, and simultaneously changes what we’re paying for those leads, questioning that isn’t “blaming everyone else.” It’s evaluating a vendor and the return on what we’re purchasing.

    You mentioned having an unlimited lead budget, multiple people handling customer interactions, CRM integration, and wanting Thumbtack to listen to and retain your calls. That may work extremely well for your business model. Mine is different. I don’t want or need Thumbtack functioning as my CRM or communications department. I need a lead service: qualify the prospect sufficiently, provide the information necessary to evaluate the opportunity, connect us, and let me conduct my business.

    And frankly, telling other business owners to “enjoy the challenge” when some are describing measurable reductions in leads, conversions and revenue comes across as unnecessarily dismissive. If a paid service changes in a way that negatively affects someone’s customer-acquisition cost or ability to generate business, that’s not a character-building exercise. That’s a business problem worth discussing.

    I’m perfectly happy for Thumbtack to offer the tools you’re describing to professionals who want them. What I object to is making those tools increasingly mandatory—or financially disadvantageous to avoid—for professionals who don’t.

    Give us the choice. You can have the recordings, AI notes and CRM integration you want. I can have a qualified lead and direct communication with the customer I paid to be connected with. Neither business model needs to be declared superior to the other.

  • DreamClean
    DreamClean PPC Member Posts: 6

    I think you nailed it, @Electric77
    It comes down to the return on investment for each Pro.

    LTV/CAC, or

    Lifetime Value (meaning net profit, not revenue) of the customers won or converted from Thumbtack leads

    divided by

    Customer Acquisition Costs for the total spend on Thumbtack

    Many variables feed into this. For example, Thumbtack and other platforms price leads according to the revenue, so it’s the Pro’s responsibility to track their own conversion rates, profit margin, recurring vs one-time business, and total spend to track their return on investment separately for each platform (Thumbtack, Angie, Yelp, Google LSA, etc.)

    I wouldn’t mind these changes if they improved our return on investment for Thumbtack. We’ve shared some of our early results on another post and generally agree with you that TT Numbers has increased friction into a process where minutes make the difference between a win and a loss.


    Again, we would embrace the changes and challenges if they improve our ROI on the platform. If response rate/quantity/quality → win rate → revenue → profits and LTV decrease, that impacts the return. If lead prices and CAC increase at the same time, it’s a double whammy. Our customers overwhelmingly prefer text messages over phone calls, emails, or messages on other platforms. Just something that we’ve learned and adapted to over time. We’ve made some recent adjustments to our workflow and automations, but have yet to find a new successful formula.

    The latest trend among leads that actually receive and review our online quote or listen to our voicemail (since most don’t answer the call through TT Numbers) has been customers responding favorably via direct text to our customer service number. Unfortunately, many assume we have/recognize their number and don’t always identify themselves, leading to a frantic public records search and/or awkward conversation to connect the “Unknown” sender to the lead/profile/quote already set up in our CRM.

    Each Pro needs to assess these changes, impact to ROI, time and effort required for the new workflow, and allocate their spend accordingly. For some, that could mean diverting focus, time and money elsewhere, while others like @Jonathan_Stickland may be maxed out on lead spend and generating a good return, which would be great for them and a positive sign for the rest of us. Similarly, Thumbtack is certainly assessing their own growth trajectory and position relative to competing channels and platforms. It does make sense for Thumbtack to find ways to boost revenue and expand their role in the broader ecosystem, especially if they have an IPO on the horizon.

    My concern for all parties (Thumbtack, customers, Pros) is whether TT Numbers actually improves/increases the business conducted on their platform or not. Selling more leads to more Pros at higher prices benefits Thumbtack in the short term, but it’s not sustainable if Pros find less value, a low ROI. They’ll eventually seek out customers elsewhere in order to survive, eroding the previously thriving network of Pros and customers that Thumbtack has spent years building.

    I think we all share the hope that Thumbtack’s decision-makers are listening.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    The issue I’m continuing to see is also the number of pros people are allowed to contact. I just had a lead come through this week. They contacted six people only responded to one person.
    and their first question to me was how much does this cost?
    well, for this particular job, which was TV mounting the quote was $105 which is listed upfront in our profile so why would they message me to ask that

    so me and five other people all got charged $16 for that lead

    But since they hired a different pro, my Thumbtack number was shut off

    so not selling us Leads


    they are just taking more money, letting the customer choose one person and cutting off all communication

    Another issue I would like to bring up. I’ve had people reach out to me through Thumbtack that I worked for years ago. I think people have a Thumbtack account and you’ve already paid for that should be no charge for them contacting you again.

  • TCB247
    TCB247 Posts: 34 ✭✭

    Thumbtack is definitely going down hill. These changes have dropped my lead down to a trickle. Let alone landed jobs are next to now. Becoming a liability not a asset.

    Just a broken record falling on deaf ears at this point .

    Disappointed pros are out here and we are the ones paying for it.

  • Noah_Holt
    Noah_Holt Posts: 8

    @TCB247 completely agree

    For almost 4 years I spent around 1500 a month and made good money . Then they switched to instant booking I asked to be removed and they said it was mandatory so I shut down my account. It failed in a few months and they invited me back then they started with these phone numbers . If they would just leave things alone we could all be happy .

    People are not happy about all these 900 numbers calling them . And then if we don’t get the job we lose the contact that we were charged for.

  • TCB247
    TCB247 Posts: 34 ✭✭
    edited August 17

    yep I remember when they charged credits per lead.
    only sold to 5 and pro had to be one of the first 5 to respond

    Snooze you lose. No automated AI bs. Such a good platform going downhill